Global Domination

That title got yer attention, huh? Fear not, just wanna share some thoughts here.

I have been thinking about this for a while now since we parted ways with Vic Records and past experiences with labels, especially now when illegal downloading really hits the smaller labels and forces them out of business. I don't even know if we'll score a new deal with some label. I have contacted over 20 different ones, around 5 even bothered to reply so far, and for some reason I am not even surprised. They can't put money into a small band it seems, no matter the quality that band possesses. Just look at Vicious Art for example, they are in the same boat - and it's fucken tragic. It's not about quality anymore (was it ever?), that one is obvious.

So what do we do if we do not score a new deal?

There is no chance that we will be able (we meaning me) to pay the recording of album number 7 ourselves. It involves quite a bit of cash to make it sound as I want it to sound - and I certainly do not wanna compromise with TPH. What is next then? Donations? I doubt there will be enough donations from Haters around the world to be serious. Maybe there would be? I have no idea, really...

I thought about perhaps trying to work it that way and then release the album for free (complete with cover and everything ofcourse).

I also thought about printing cd's myself professionally - but let's say I'd do a first print of a 1000 copies. That is also alot of cash on top what is needed for the actual recording so I think there's an even lesser chance we'll ever get to that.

We have all the plans laid out for the recordings but we haven't set any deadlines or anything. Even less so now with the label situation. I seriously have no idea how we should work this thing to get it recorded if no record label picks us up, and as mentioned - I'm not surprised if they don't considering how the industry is nowadays.

What do you guys think? Do you seriously think that enough people would donate cash for the recording? A funny idea is that if we were to go by all the "fans" we have on MySpace and everyone donated a dollar, we'd be recording this masterpiece in the blink of an eye, and more so. That would even pay for the printing of actual cd's too, haha... Sadly those 8000 fans on MySpace aren't really hardcore TPH fans, I guess.

I'm just playing with the idea if this would be possible. No, I don't know if we should even try to make this idea into a reality - I am more interested in what your view on this whole thing is.

There's always a chance Sony wants to sign us though. Haven't contacted them yet. Eh...

Mr. Green

Share your thoughts, Haters.

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http://www.globaldomination.se/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8275&start=0
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [14:45]

I would certainly donate to the cause.

If you can't get a record deal and as sad and infuriating as that is, donations might be the only way.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [14:47]

Yeah, that's how I see it as well. But I guess it all depends on how much the Haters would want a new record actually. I still have the material here to listen to, but it'd be great to have it recorded properly too, haha...

We'll see what happens.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [14:59]

well.. if they want the album out... one dollar is nothing... they should help us..

I hate this shitty music business... fucking labels..with fucking awful bands...

Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [15:00]

I just got 7.5 K back from the IRS. So, yeah, donate I can!
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [15:37]

Just imagine it - 8000 donations, one dollar each. That would cover it. I doubt that would happen though, as mentioned.

That also makes me wonder - why the fuck not just start the donations thing and don't give a fuck about labels? I seriously believe we are seeing the end of smaller bands getting their albums out thru labels. I create becoz I have to, it's my calling. If the only way to get it recorded and released is thru donations or whatever - that's prolly the way to handle it for the time being.

I'm too fed up with this shit now so I'll just go and work on some music instead.

Horns

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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [16:06]

I doubt enough would donate. Some of us hardcore fans hanging on the forums would, but unless we give 1000bucks each, that wouldnt be close to enough.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [16:09]

Yep, that's what I think as well. But you never know if you don't try - if it comes to that.

Then again - 1000 bucks each shouldn't be a problem, right? I think we at least got 8 hardcore fans. Yeah...

And if we wouldn't make the budget thru donations we could always give the money to Century Media so they can afford sending out more mails to bands about their new Dark Tranquillity product.

We'll see what happens, as mentioned.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [16:45]

if i had any cash i´d be glad to give it to ya, but i just barley got enough to make ends meet..

and for some reason i don´t think my mom would be all that exited if i where to call her and ask if i could borrow some money so i can give it to a band..
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Yeah, I got 1000 SEK back from the IRS aswell, I can send it to you!

(Or you go on mad touring and sell a shitload of merchandise)

Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [17:49]

What it comes down to is: is this idea even realistic? Do anyone believe we would make about 5-8 thousand dollars from donations?

I doubt it. I seriously fucken absolutely doubt it. And what if people starts donating money and we don't reach the needed amount? Starting to send back all the cash to everyone would be a fucken bitch with fee's and everything like that. But hey - what do we have to lose, really? That would be a bitch to sort, but fuck it.

Maybe it's worth a shot. It's a few months until the drums are to be recorded anyways.

I just don't fucken know.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [17:59]

Well, I'd certainly be willing to donate some fairly outrageous amount (consudering my current situation) like 1000 SEK. Bit the questipn is, Joe many hardcore fans willing to donate are there? IHMN cost like €3000, and I guess the new one would cost something similar. It takes quite a lot of of people to raise that kind of money.

Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [17:59]

You need to round up about 1000 people who can spare 5 bucks. Even if you only get to 4-5000, you would still have to finance way less than you initially had. It's much easier to cough up a few hundred bucks than 5000. I'm pretty sure some hardcore fans would also donate more than 5 bucks.

If we can manage to find enough people to donate for your cause, we could probably have the money around your birthday or something and you could see it as a gift from the fans or something, haha.

If people are prepared to give 5-10 bucks each then I'm pretty sure we could find a way. Put it this way - everything in donations is something you don't have to pay.

Or maybe I'm being an optimist.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [18:04]

You guys are fucken cool, just for the record. I'm going to fire up an experiment coz I don't wanna start taking any donations or anything without knowing we could actually make it.

There will be another post shortly and I'll insert the link later on in this post as well.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [18:18]

I think it would be really hard to fint 1000 people who love TPH enough to go donating. Sad but, most likely, true. This is the official forum for the band, this is where the real fans are. How many of us are there really? On a good week, how many different people have written here? Maybe 50-60 max and thats if there's some huge news, like a new album or a web-ep or shit like that. How many of those would donate? 10-20? How many of us who would donate got the money to cough up enough to make a difference? I know i dont, im late on payments on bot my car insurance and cellphone bill, and wouldnt be able to give more then maybe 100kr. In the big picture, thats not even close to making a difference. Too few of the fans are fully educated adults with the economy to pay amounts high enough to push the band closer to anything, too many are like me - poor students working on an education or two.
I dont mean to be a party pooper, but im pretty sure thats the reality of the matter. So im shitting bricks hoping some magic label will come along and pick the Hate up. Sadly, it looks bad. But hey, is there anything pointing to the album having to be recorded right away? The Hate not getting a label NOW isnt the same as the band NEVER getting a label willing to support them.
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [18:22]

Trust me on this, Nyhus. I have little hope. I guess this will show where we are at after 10 years or so, haha...

The Experiment has started and the topic is located here:

http://www.globaldomination.se/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8275
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Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [18:33]

Well this is a tough nut to crack..
But 1 one way is to set up a donation button linked to your paypal account. As I recall you can set different ammounts for donations, let´s say 5, 10$ etc... then it´s up to each donator to pick what suites their wallet best.

About the issue on returning the donations if the album wont be printed... Write a disclaimer that says that if the album wont be printed then the money will be used in some other professional way of TPH (and guarrantee that it wont be spent on beer and dope).

Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [18:40]

Lemme just say that in 15 minutes time I got over 600 dollars in fantasy donations. Then again, it's probably the first 15 minutes that counts, haha...

As said, there are no strings attached to this. We'll see how it goes and I will keep you informed.
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I'll donate what I can, but my ex's child support movement did just pass,,,,and she's taking me to the bank.

Maybe we should try getting the band name out to some anti-christian/religious websites and groups. I know a good chunk of those members would gladly throw in a few bucks to something like this.

Post subject: Posted: Jun 08, 2010 [21:37]

Be it a dollar and it's absolutely all good.